[Video] KYT (NLB) vs. Flores (Dredgevine)


Up to this point, the most popular article on Mana Deprived involved Doug P and myself going head-to-head against Michael J Flores, one of the greatest deckbuilders of all time.  If you enjoyed that video, you are in for the same kind of treat here as I take on Flores once again, this time by myself.  With important pre-M11 Standard tournaments still remaining, we decided to game with two of the more innovative decks to come out in the last week or two.  Enjoy!

Link: KYT (NLB) vs. Flores (Dredgevine)


Next Level Hybrid

1 Forest
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Misty Rainforest
3 Misty Rainforest
1 Forest
1 Forest
1 Stirring Wildwood
1 Island
2 Ranger of Eos
4 Sea Gate Oracle
3 Sovereigns of Lost Alara
2 Eldrazi Conscription
4 Celestial Colonnade
1 Scute Mob
1 Oblivion Ring
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Plains
4 Vengevine
4 Seaside Citadel
1 Forest
1 Bant Charm
2 Birds of Paradise
2 Sunpetal Grove
1 Plains
1 Path to Exile
1 Path to Exile
4 Wall of Omens
1 Island
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Forest

1 Mold Shambler
2 Journey to Nowhere
1 Martial Coup
1 Ranger of Eos
3 Kor Firewalker
2 Celestial Purge
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Thornling
3 Negate

Dredgevine 2.0
Steve Sadin
Type II

Main Deck:
4 Bloodghast
4 Enclave Cryptologist
4 Extractor Demon
4 Hedron Crab
4 Merfolk Looter
4 Renegade Doppelganger
4 Sedraxis Alchemist
4 Vengevine

2 Eldrazi Monument
2 Grim Discovery
2 Mistvein Borderpost

4 Creeping Tar Pit
4 Drowned Catacomb
6 Island
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Scalding Tarn
2 Swamp

4 Calcite Snapper
4 Deprive
4 Doom Blade
3 Inquisition of Kozilek

Until next time,


21 thoughts on “[Video] KYT (NLB) vs. Flores (Dredgevine)”

  1. Ran into Vedgevine at PTQ, so this was an interesting and very relevant video.
    Nice job!

  2. Very interesting build. I really like the next level hybrid deck, it's interesting and I'd been mulling over in my head ways to work the conscription combo into next level bant because both decks are powerful in different ways and both have different weak spots. I feel the conscription deck loses a whole lot when you don't draw the combo or don't get it out quite fast enough, it has a hard time in the attrition war. Next Level Bant being strong in the attrition war shores up this weakness, you sacrifice a little of the potential explosiveness of mythic for more consistency, smoother drawing and a better long game, while still being capable of insanely explosive, game ending plays in the mid-late game.

  3. I like the sovereigns hybrid only because it's usually an autowin game 1 due to surprise. I almost think it's worth have a transformational board in these matchups if you win game 1 due to them fully expecting a sovereign in game 2. If you board the package out and come out with more control element, they won't expect it. Possibly a walker package or something else nifty.

  4. also..I think you can become favorable if your board is built towards removal and or counters. Even DOJ to clear out the dopplegangers and crabs will put you well ahead without their ability to discard. Purge is great here, and for jund packing necrogenesis in the board is pretty much a must right now in this meta. The other option is to expect this deck to board in removal as well, so pushing more aggressively with gideon, possibly garruk and elspeth would be wicked. Great stuff KYT, always a pleasure to watch.

  5. I agree with Jason here. I am running a slightly altered sideboard from those I've seen. I bring out the conscription combo and board in the right control cards for the matchup to great success. Lots of decks try to board in control to screw the combo if you show it game one. The thing is, this deck, with the right sideboard, can out-control much of the midrange decks out there.

  6. Well first off these videos are awesome and I really appreciate the time you guys put into this site.

    As to the match, dredgevine is simply a T1 deck. The vast majority of the other decks in the format can't interact with it enough to stop it. The mythic deck had to race it and that was the correct way to try and beat it because so little interactions actually occur during the games. DoJ doesn't straight up clear their board either because of the bloodghasts and all the one and two drop creatures so u/w doesn't have a real strong match up either. Blightning does nothing, and the dredgevine deck is really resilient.

    This deck is going to alter sideboards in the current meta.

  7. Hey I really liked the video thanks. Sorry I know it is probably common fact but what program are you running?

  8. I completely agree with this post, especially the comment on sideboards.

    In fact I think this may just cement the fact that jund is the best deck seeing as jund charm is so easy to assimilate in the deck and its versatility as oppose to other graveyard hate is extremely useful. In comparison relic of progenitus doesnt seem overly helpful. Thinking about this i think the dredgevine deck may be improved with the inclusion of Red, although this may slow it down the addition of bolts/flame slash could enable some extremely fast blow outs.

  9. Thanks for the feedback, steve-o. Let's see if any Dredgevine decks make top 8 at SCG St.Louis.

  10. Hmm, I played the old dredge deck pre-worldwake and from what I remember, taking out the hedron crab was my best bet because they value ANYTHING in the graveyard. The new Dredgevine seems pretty awesome but vulnerable to an early removal such as disfigure, path, etc. hurts them a lot. Another cool video, basically just either early removal or having a relic of progenitus post board would help against dredgevine.

    The Dredgevine has a weakness of graveyard removal, early spot removal and because it's being spread around the internet, it will be less effective though still extremely potent.

  11. KTY or anyone:

    How about removing the Ranger package from the maindeck (2 Ranger of Eos + 1 Scute Mob) for 1 Elspeth, 1 Gideon, and 1 Borderland Ranger to help find Elspeth and smooth mana draws?

  12. Vengevine with Ranger is so sexy. And Scute mob is a no brainer if you're playing Ranger IMO.

  13. It's KYT, buddy. =D

    I think deciding on whether to remove the Ranger package or not largely depends on the metagame you expect to face. It is still quite the recovery card against Jund.

  14. Wanna play a hybrid deck? How about Next Level DredgeBantvine?
    4 birds of paradise
    4 noble hierarch
    4 hedron crab
    4 fauna shaman
    4 renegade doppleganger
    4 bloodghast
    4 knight of the reliquary
    4 vengevine
    2 baneslayer angel
    2 extractor demon
    1 bojuka bog
    2 sejiri steppe
    4 misty rainforest
    2 verdant catacombs
    1 arid mesa
    6 forest
    4 island
    2 plains
    1 swamp
    1 celestial collonade

    You could probably even put conscription in there. This deck is what I'm making for my next ptq. Dredge loses to gy removal threats so SB will be some toolbox cards like warpriest of thune for leyline of the void, mana leaks for haunting echoes, 1-2 more bojuka bog for mirror, path to exile for conscription combo decks. This list may seem like it is doing too much, but being able to toolbox any creature or land is pretty rediculous, and knights make lands in your gy not a dead card, in addition to being able to block conscription combo or using protection with sejiri steppe to swing for kill on turn 4-5 ON ITS OWN.

  15. Have to love videos when the narrator has absolutely no clue how to play against the deck. Why even record yourself if you don't know what you're doing?


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